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Defensive stats of potential DPOY Candidates

本赛季年度最佳防守球员竞争者的高阶防守数据如下。

图中数据从左至右分别为：SPG：场均抢断BPG：场均盖帽DRtg：在场时每百回合对手得分DWS：防守贡献值DBPM：净防守正负值DRPM：真实防守正负值DFG%：对位球员命中率Deflections：场均干扰传球次数Contested 2PT shots：有效两分防守Contested 3PT shots：有效三分防守

[–]76ersboggles0087 76 指標 10小時前

Interesting that Embiid has the lowest DFG% when the majority of shots he defends are close to the rim. Average distance from rim on defended shots would be a good stat to see.

76人球迷：有意思!大帝是这份榜单中把对手命中率控制在最低的球员，要知道他可是主要在篮筐附近防守（通常篮筐附近的命中率本应该最高）。有没有数据能显示防守人的对位球员投篮时和篮筐的平均距离？这数据应该挺值得一看的。

[–]impulsivelion 44 指標 9小時前

what about "change in opponent fg%". So compare how a defender does to their opponent"s average... I think that"s a stat out there somewhere

有没有“对位球员命中率变动”的技术统计？通过将对手平均命中率和该场命中率作出比较，这数据能体现出防守者到底把对位球员限制的有多好。我猜这数据肯定有统计，就是我不知道在哪。

[–]WarriorsMyOtherAltIsAHuman 10 指標 5小時前

I keep spamming this, but it"s DFG% DIFF.

我一直在四处科普，你说的这个技术统计叫防守球员命中率差异。

[–]impulsivelion 9 指標 4小時前

thanks! oh and look at that, embiid and durant are 1 and 2.

谢了老哥！瞧瞧，大帝和KD分列1，2名。

[–]76ersRman1005 3 指標 2小時前

The difference Embiid makes the second he steps on the court is absurd. Team"s get whatever they want at the basket when he sits.

76人球迷：大帝上场后给防守端带来的变化是立竿见影的。当大帝在场下时，76人简直成了提款机。

[–]Netscobrotherhood 28 指標 8小時前

9.5 shots defended per game at 38.8% is ludicrous

大帝在场均9.5次的投篮防守中可以把对手的命中率限制在38.8%，这特么太假了吧。

[–]76ersAmenz 4 指標 5小時前

The man wants to block every shot possible its pretty funny sometimes

76人球迷：大帝有时候是想盖的越多越好，有时候看起来挺喜感的。

[–]SpursGolai77 2 指標 7小時前

How often does he foul though? He was great defending the rim last year as well, but iirc he fouled a ton, which negates some of that aggressiveness and impact.

不懂就问，那么恩比德的犯规数得有多少啊？恩比德去年的护筐防守一样出色，但是如果我没记错的话，他当时的犯规可不少吧？过多的犯规降低了他场上的侵略性和影响力。

[–]76erssharke93 13 指標 7小時前

He"s averaging 3.5 fouls a game which is about the same as last year, but he"s playing more minutes this year so he"s improved a bit in that regard.

76人球迷：和去年一样，场均3.5犯。但是考虑到他今年出场时间的增多，大帝在控制犯规方面进步了不少啊。

[–]CelticsTroyAtWork 144 指標 9小時前

I know people don"t really think of rebounds as a defensive stat, but to me they definitely are and should at least be in the conversation when discussing DPOY. Defensive rebounds signify the end of the defensive possession. It doesn"t matter how well you defend if you give the other team another chance.

凯尔特人球迷：很多球迷都不把篮板看作防守数据，但是我认为篮板绝对算得上防守的一部分，至少篮板应该是评估最佳防守球员标准的一部分。防守篮板意味着本次防守回合的结束，防的再好，漏了篮板也等于白费。

After watching the Celtics give up offensive rebound after offensive rebound the past few years (luckily not so much this season unless your name is Enes Kanter), the importance of rebounding is really understated. There have been so many times where I watch our defense lock down the other team for 24 seconds, only to give up second- and third-chance points.

这几年我凯的前场板都被抢爆了（还好本赛季这现象有所改观，当然如果对手是埃内斯-只拿前场板-坎特的话就另当别论了），我想说篮板的重要性被大家低估了。我看到好几次我凯球员拼命防守把对方防到24秒，然而最后却漏了篮板，让对手打出二次甚至三次得分。

[–]BucksLastFirstism 35 指標 8小時前

Yeah, and it also helps put block stats in context. Being able to block a lot of shots while grabbing defensive rebounds is a lot different than blocking shots by just selling out on the boards and jumping at everything. Someone like Javale McGee will have inflated block stats because they just sell out on defensive rebounding.

楼上说得对，另外我们还要分情况看盖帽数据。在有把握拿到防守篮板情况下的盖帽，和那种不管不顾随便一扇送给对方前场板还喜欢瞎瘠薄跳的盖帽是截然不同的。比如麦基盖帽数据明显虚高，因为他只是把本可以拿下的防守篮板转换成盖帽，将球权拱手相让。

[–]Thunderunburntmotherofdrags 14 指標 8小時前

It"s hard to quantify the importance of single player rebounds tho, for instance someone like Robes will naturally pull down fewer rebounds, because u dont want him running your fastbreak, and he"s way more useful on the perimeter than in the paint, so few opportunities. Comparing that to someone like Embiid/Adams/Drummond who really only flourish in the paint is kinda unfair.

雷霆球迷：但是还是很难量化一位球员篮板数据的重要性啊，举个例子，罗伯森这样的球员的篮板数据通常较低，因为你不能指望让萝卜拿下篮板发动快攻，他在外线起到的作用显然比在内线的大，所以萝卜很少有机会可以拿到篮板。当萝卜和恩比德，亚当斯还有德拉蒙德这些纯种内线神兽比较防守时，拿篮板作为根据之一挺不公平的。

[–][GSW] Baron DavisCommandersLog 4 指標 7小時前

That"s why it"s generally hard for wings to win DPOY though. Rim protection is a huge part of defense, which also allows for more boards.

这就是为什么通常来讲锋线球员很难得到DPOY。护框能力是防守能力的很大一部分，而且在内线防守通常能得到更多的篮板。

[–]MavericksLickMyDoncic 84 指標 10小時前

Those deflections though, PG loves fucking with passing lanes.

看看乔治场均干扰传球的次数（4.9次），他一定超喜欢干翻对手的传球路线。

[–]Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuddy 6 指標 3小時前

Crazy thing is that he"s not gambling too much, he"s mostly sticking his arms out and has quick hands.

可怕的是，其实泡椒并没有很多的赌博式抢断，他主要是一直把双臂张开，手也很快。

[–]Yung_Parolo 132 指標 10小時前

In my personal opinion Roberson has legit been the best defensive player this season.

我个人认为，罗伯森真的算是本赛季最好的防守球员了。

[–][OKC] Steven Adamslegendariusss 75 指標 10小時前

It seemed like PG and stats wise it could be with the steals and deflections but when you watch every game that Roberson absolutely mercs his man nearly every time. And his man is always their best guard or wing.

雷霆球迷：乔治好像可能性更大，尤其是显示在数据上的干扰传球和抢断数更为他竞争DPOY增加了筹码。不过当你真正看了雷霆的比赛，你会发现萝卜每场比赛都会锁死他的防守人——当家后卫或者锋线。

George plays monster D and can switch easily to their best player too but Robes gluing himself to the opposing teams best player gives George a lot of lee way in regards to playing lanes as well as guarding not as good players.

乔治这赛季的防守是怪兽级的，他同样可以在换防中盯紧对方当家球员，但是萝卜才是那个死贴对方最强球员一整场的那个人，是他的付出释放了乔治防守端的一部分压力，让乔治可以游刃有余的干扰对方传球路线和防守不是那么强的对位球员了。

Like today Robes has Derozan while Kyle was with Russ. Paul George basically chilled on OG or switched easy with Robes

像对猛龙的那场比赛，萝卜主盯德罗赞，威少盯着洛瑞。乔治基本上只是冻结了阿奴诺比以及时不时的和罗伯森换防罢了。

[–]TimberwolvesSakattack19 11 指標 10小時前

I just don"t think the has the impact Green has. He is a phenomenal defender on the perimeter but he can"t guard 1-5 nor is he the defensive anchor for their team.

我不认为乔治有追梦那样的防守影响力。乔治是一名现象级外线防守者没错，但是他不能从1号位防到5号位，他也不是雷霆防守端的中流砥柱。

[–]eeeeeeethan 1 指標 9小時前

Draymond is a very rare case, usually one is either a impactful rim protecting big or lock-down perimeter defender

追梦这例子也太特殊了吧，通常来说一名球员要么只能成为出色的护框能力防守长人，要么只能当一个外线防守大闸。只有追梦集两种属性于一身。

[–]TimberwolvesSakattack19 31 指標 9小時前

Sure, but that"s who we need to compare DPOY candidates to.

话倒是没错，但是大家竞争DPOY时还不都得要和追梦比啊。

[–]Thundera_prk 41 指標 9小時前

DFG% 38.8 for Durant? That"s insane.

KD把对手的命中率控制在了38.8%？疯了。

[–]Warriorsuntouchable765 52 指標 10小時前

DFG% 44.6% for PG compared to 38.8% for KD. Interested to know why the gap is so big there. Also Draymond leading DBPM as expected.

勇士球迷：乔治的对手命中率位44.6%，相比KD的38.8%，很好奇他俩这数据咋会差那么多。另外，正如预料，庄神在DBPM（净防守正负值）统计中领跑全联盟。

[–]PelicansGood_NewsEveryone 37 指標 10小時前

Probably just noise in a noisy stat

这项数据波动比较大，可能只是噪音（波动）罢了。

[–][OKC] Russell WestbrookAnti_Thon 52 指標 10小時前

PG guards the best players on the other team a lot. That’s usually Klay’s job and Durant is more of a weakside shot blocker/ rim protector.

雷霆球迷：泡椒经常防对方球队的最强球员。而在勇士队，这通常都是克莱的活。杜兰特更多的时承担弱侧投篮盖帽手和篮筐保护者的角色。

[–]Senseisntsocommon 36 指標 10小時前

Eh if it"s a guard Roberson gets the responsibility more often than George. For example Roberson got Harden against Houston. Depending on the team PG is being used on defense similar to how they used Lebron in Miami as that free safety type defender to jump passing lanes.

如果对方箭头人物是后卫的话，讲道理相比乔治，萝卜盯防对方最强球员的次数显然更多。比如对阵火箭那场是萝卜主防哈登。由于球队防守战术的原因，泡椒在防守端的角色比较像热火时期的，勒布朗都是那种干扰对方传球路线类型的防守者。

[–][MIL] Giannis Antetokounmpoparkertokounmpo 12 指標 10小時前

He also guarded Giannis (probably the best Giannis defender), so it’s not just guards.

萝卜同样防过字母哥（他可能也是防字母哥防的最好的那位），所以说萝卜并不是只防后卫。

[–]Warriorsuntouchable765 45 指標 10小時前*

Roberson? Klay defends the best guards but not wing players. Depends on the team they"re playing. A lot of great guards in this league but also SF/PF.

PG guards the best players on the other team a lot.

So this isn"t really true.

罗伯森和克莱他俩所在的球队情况不大一样，克莱一直防守优秀的后卫，但是不会去防锋线球员。然而罗伯森，除了防守联盟中优秀的后卫，时不时还会防一些顶级锋线球员。

引用“泡椒总是防对方球队最优秀的球员。”

所以这句话并不是真的。

[–][GSW] Kevon LooneymaybeAriadne 201 指標 10小時前

Whoa, if Detroit had better team defense numbers I"d totally be on the Drummond DPOY train. As it is I gotta stand by our guy

勇士球迷：哇，如果活塞的球队整体防守数据更好的话我铁定会支持庄神拿最佳防守球员到底的。不过看起来我勇的球队防守更好，所以我只能支持我勇的人啦。

[–]Warriorssquatgs 77 指標 10小時前

Which one? Lol

勇士球迷：哪一个，2333。

[–]CelticsJimboujee 35 指標 8小時前

This shit ain"t fair

凯尔特人球迷：卧槽，这太不公平了吧。

[–]EastPM_ME_UR_BEST_STORY_ 16 指標 6小時前

At least they only have 2 dark horse MVP candidates

没事儿，最起码他勇只有两匹黑马能竞争MVP。哎....

[–]NBAurfaselol 121 指標 9小時前

Durant. I think Draymond has missed a lot of games thus far and Durant"s impact defensively has been very apparent this year

我认为阿杜会拿最佳防守球员，目前为止追梦已经缺席了不少比赛，并且杜兰特今年在防守端的影响力也是有目共睹的。

[–][GSW] Kevon LooneymaybeAriadne 15 指標 10小時前

Either"s fine, though I do hope KD at least gets 1st team All Defense

勇士球迷：这俩谁拿都行，我只希望KD今年至少能进一防。

[–]Spursmdivan 18 指標 7小時前

Going to be between KD and PG this year. its a shame Kawhi was hurt early would have been even more dope competition.

马刺球迷：今年最佳防守球员的争夺将在KD和泡椒之间展开。可惜今年小卡伤太久了，要不竞争本可以更惨烈。

[–]76ersI_told_you_so_mfer 16 指標 6小時前

Today is such a golden age for wings. Lbj, Kwahi, Kd, Giannis, Jimmy Buckets, PG, etc... It"s like the center position of the 90"s

现如今真是锋线盛世。詹姆斯、小卡、阿杜、字母哥、巴特勒、泡椒等等。和90年代的中锋盛世有一比啊。

[–]Knicksiretalia16 88 指標 10小時前

I"ve been trying to avoid this bandwagon but I think it"s Durant right now. Best defender on the best defensive team in the league, while second in blocks per game (Myles Turner .03 points ahead according to ESPN). He"s been a defensive force defending the perimeter and the paint

我不是说要见风使舵，但是我认为现在最佳防守球员的最有力竞争者是KD。联盟最强防守球队中的最强防守者，同时在联盟盖帽榜中位列第二（根据ESPN官方数据仅落后特纳0.03个盖帽）。无论是外线还是禁区，他都是球队防守端的中坚力量。

[–]Factsgawd 41 指標 10小時前

Seriously, everyone thinks it’s nonsense but like Draymond said, they’ll never give him the recognition he deserves(the fans, hopefully the voters will??,) because of his reputation as an all time great scorer.

港真，人们都觉得阿杜今年不可能拿最佳防守球员，但是就像格林说的那样，由于阿杜伟大的得分手的属性早就名声在外，他们（这里指球迷们，但我还是希望最佳防守球员的投票记者能够思想开放些）永远不会给予阿杜足够的认可。

[–]Knicksiretalia16 23 指標 10小時前

I think the voters will at the least grant him a deserved spot on one of the All-defense teams. In fairness though it is a little out-of-nowhere. He never sucked at defense but wasn"t a super-plus on that end either. Really evolved into a very good defender last year and a stud this year.

我认为那些投票的人至少会在最佳防守阵容中给阿杜留个位置。公平的讲今年阿杜防守端的表现有点横空出世。阿杜在防守端从来没水过，但是他在防守端的加持作用也没特别大。他从去年一个非常好的防守者进化成今年的防守端种马了。

[–]WarriorsIonkkll 18 指標 9小時前

Ron Adams is the real MVP

勇士球迷：Ron Adams（勇士助教）是真正的MVP。

[–]WizardsVswerve27 26 指標 10小時前

Roberson or PG. Especially if the thunder end up being the best defense.

我觉得最佳防守球员会在泡椒和罗伯森两人中产生。要是雷霆在赛季结束时防守排联盟第一的话就更有可能了。

[–]Thunderunburntmotherofdrags 8 指標 8小時前

Robes over PG quite handily in my eyes. PG is definitely top 5 this year though, but just feel like we really saw how fucked we are without Robes in his abscense.

雷霆球迷：在我眼中，罗伯森防守比乔治还是要强出不少的。泡椒绝对是今年最佳防守球员的前五竞争者，但是想想萝卜缺阵的那几场我雷打成啥样了？